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Wednesday, 11 January 2012

When Were The Gospels Written?


When were the gospel biographical accounts of Jesus written? One popular claim by skeptics is that the gospels were written so long after the events which they narrate that their historical and biographical value is suspect. While virtually all scholars maintain that all of the gospels were written in the first century, within liberal scholarship it is conventionally thought that all four gospels were written post-70AD. It is my own view, however, that this proposition is largely arbitrary, and based largely on a false presumption that a prediction, on the part of Jesus regarding the destruction of the temple in AD70, must have been composed after-the-fact. If, however, one takes seriously the proposition that prophecy by a divine figure is possible, then the justification for the post-70AD dating largely disappears.

I am going to propose something radical — namely, that all of the synopticgospels (that is, Matthew, Mark and Luke) pre-date AD60 and perhaps even AD50, thus being removed from the passion events (33AD) by possibly less than 20 years, with the underlying source material behind the gospels dating back even further still. Moreover, I am going to argue that we possess at least two sources from the 30s AD, being removed from the passion events by only two or three years!

When compared to other ancient biographies, these sources are very early indeed. Sources for Roman and Greek history are usually biased and removed one or two generations (or, in some cases, even centuries) from the events that they detail. The two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great, for example, were penned by Arrian and Plutarch more than 400 years following his death. But classical historians still regard them as being trustworthy. The legends which concern Alexander the Great didn’t develop until centuries after those two writers. A.N. Sherwin-White argues in his book, Roman Society and Roman Law in the New Testament that “Herodotus enables us to test the tempo of myth-making, and the tests suggest that even two generations are too short a span to allow the mythical tendency to prevail over the hard historic core of the oral tradition.” Sherwin-white further argues that, for the gospels to be legends, the rate of legendary accumulation would have to be “unbelievable”.

So, what about the dating of the gospels? It is generally agreed among scholars that Mark was written first, and Matthew and Luke subsequently utilised Mark’s gospel as source material, and then John was written last (and independently). Luke is likely to have been the latest of the synoptics. But Luke is quoted elsewhere in the New Testament, by Paul. Paul writes in 1 Timothy 5:18, “For Scripture says, ‘Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,’ and ‘The worker deserves his wages.’”This latter citation is from Luke 10:7. Clearly, then, Luke (or, at the very least, the source material upon which Luke is based) must pre-date the writing of 1 Timothy (we’ll come to the dating of 1 Timothy shortly). The appeal to the quoted text as coming from “Scripture” would also seem to militate against a possible objection that the quoted phrase was a popular cliche which was independently quoted by Luke and Paul.

Paul also quotes from Luke’s gospel, in connection with the Lord’s supper, in 1 Corinthians 11:

“For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, ‘This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.’ For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”

 

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Comment by Dave Gosse on January 14, 2012 at 12:42pm

Friday, 6 January 2012

Undesigned Scriptural Coincidences: The Ring Of Truth


What is an undesigned coincidence? An undesigned coincidence (so-named by J.J. Blunt and first discovered by William Paley) occurs when one account of an event leaves out a bit of information which is filled in, often quite incidentally, by a different account, which helps to answer some natural questions raised by the first. As an argument for the historical veracity of the gospels, the case is at its strongest when taken as a cumulative whole: In other words, it’s death by a thousand mosquito bites.

There are two categories of undesigned coincidences pertinent to the New Testament: Internal and External. As the labels suggest, the former concerns details which are filled in by other Biblical (i.e. internal) sources, while the latter concerns details filled in by other extra-Biblical (i.e. external) sources. In this article, I want to take a look at a few examples of both.

 

Internal Coincidences

One of my own personal favourite examples pertains to one of Jesus’ multiple predictions with regards his pending death and subsequent resurrection.

 

Did the Feeding of the Five Thousand Really Happen?

 

Comment by john mac on January 15, 2012 at 9:50am

Dave;

What a great discussion put forth here! I think I would like to get involved on this one. One of the things that has been put forth to me on these synoptic Gospels is that they all have one source-"Q" Now I know many may not feel that is in anyway-a true statement. I myself used to think that Q was a foundation for the other Gospels. Sometimes I still wonder about that-as I think the possibility is there. On the other hand-Is it not completely possible-that the Gospels are first hand accounts of the writers-telling of the story-from their "God-Breathed" point of view? Remember to keep in context that all Scripture is God-Breathed. As far as the timeline is concerned-to put it in a context that some may be able to understand-even at the context of 50 years,for example the American Civil War was fought about from that time (1861-1865) removed from the War of 1812.

Writings concerning those items of battle, (1812)people,events written about the time of the Civil War considered those writings to be true and historically accurate. Maybe the analogy is a poor one-but it gives people an "idea" of the number of years passed or in relation to the time of events....thus helping them have a better "linear" timeline of the happenings!                 Great post!

Comment by Dave Gosse on January 15, 2012 at 1:05pm

Hi John

I am gratified to learn of your interest.  I think the credibility of Christianity hinges on the credibility of the Gospels.  If they are (to quote David Bowie in "Sweet Thing - Candidate") "spreading rumours and lies and stories they made up" then our "If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied."  1 Cor. 15:19  Saint Paul, after reciting a sorites of logical proofs for the resurrection then asserts that if it is not a historically attested fact we are "most to be pitied."  This is the man who confessed to persecuting the early church, who witnessed the stoning of Stephen, and who met the risen Christ.  No credible historian doubts that the Pauline Epistles were written within 30 years of the resurrection.  One of his companions, Saint Luke, wrote a two part history of the ministry of Christ and the Acts of the Apostles.  The life of Christ (Luke) is generally considered the last of the Synoptic Gospels to be written and Luke, in his introduction, clearly he has collected material from a variety of sources.

1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.  Luke 1

If Luke the author is Luke the companion of Saint Paul then the books of Luke and Acts must have been written prior to roughly AD 80 or 90.  Internal evidence from Luke, Acts, and the Pauline Epistles, as well as universal church tradition, and, more recently, archaeology, all testify to the identity of Luke the autor and Luke the companion.  A great read for archaeology is Sir William Mitchell Ramsay 1851 - 1939 whose books and lecture from the turn of the 20th C. pretty much destroyed the arguments of the "higher critics" regarding Luke and Acts.  Oddly enough, his work was ignored and the "higher critics" are still being taught.  " ...because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator..." Rom 1:25.

 

The existence of Q is hypothetical and, in my opinion, irrelevant. If the New Testament is substantially accurate and written by eyewitnesses then the existence of a "Sayings of Jesus" written prior to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John only reinforces the overall accuracy of the transmission.  It has long been understood among the "search for the historical Jesus" crowd that you cannot remove the miracles from the New Testament and still recover a person named Jesus.  Jesus and miracles are inseparable.  Besides, the need for a Q document was predicated upon a need for an accurate transmission of the sayings of Jesus over a long enough period of time for the `mythology`(miracle stories) to arise.  As noted above, that extended period of time between the ministry of Jesus and the writing of the Gospels does not exist.  Quite the contrary, the time frame for the writing of the Gospels has shrunk dramatically with the rise of archaeology as a science. 

Comment by john mac on January 15, 2012 at 5:15pm

Dave;

Agreed the miracles and our Savior cannott be removed. We can however-begin at the "beginning" so to speak-are you up for this discussion....? I think some aspects could border on the "heretical". But in the nature of searching-and in the nature of learning-I think it would be a good discussion....shall we proceed friend??

                                                                                                                                  John Mac

Comment by Dave Gosse on January 15, 2012 at 5:57pm

Proceed my friend.  I doubt we will stray too far off the track... there are plenty of resources to keep us in line.

Comment by john mac on January 15, 2012 at 7:49pm

Dave;

 Thanks for the invite, I think to realize the importance of when these were written is well-important. Yet two things come to mind about it. First of all there is no mention of the destruction of The Temple by the Romans. This to me is something quite fascinating....why? Well as you know in the First Century the Temple was the center of all religious going-ons at the time. And of course our early writers of the Gospels were-well they were jewish for sure. To not mention the fact of the Temple destruction-or of the war-tells me they were written BEFORE the destruction(70 AD). With that in mind most-and I say most-mainline Christians will point this out with vigor-thus also saying that when they were written but on what they are: the divinely inspired Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16). So if they were written 70 years,30 years or whenever,is actually from a "Spiritual" standpoint,irrelevant,as they are written by “men moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21), who accurately recorded the very words of God.
(2) The other thing which comes to mind-at least mine is something a little different-which I shall attempt to word correctly here. We must remember how the Holy Land was during the first century...we must also remember it from a historical context as well. If they(Gospels) were written about the time of our discussion something else comes to point of discussion-and that is The life of Jesus seemed unimportant to the Romans and to many of the Jewish people at the time.  The resurrection of Jesus and His ascension after a number of public appearances was followed on Pentecost,on the Temple Mount. Remember though persecution drove the apostles and church leaders underground,and scattered them.  The Jewish people were accustomed to outspoken sect leaders and false messiah so Jesus was soon forgotten as was others and his qualifications as a true prophet of God were ignored. The hundreds of new followers of Jesus (after the Day of Pentecost) were of course originally all Jews. And remember for many of these Jews Jesus did not fit the Old Testament "qualifications" of Messiah.(Masioch). This would present a problem for the writings of the Gospels.Maybe this is one of the reasons for the Birth story.(Christmas). Also soon after the second revolt come along so-this gentleman-by the name of Barcoptha-was actually considered the Masioch-until he too was killed. This is all within about a 150 year timeframe. But placing the writings within an earlier timeframe within 30 0r 40 years is also problematic...remember also the life expectancy of men in the first century was not much over 38-40 years of age. So my thought process is also along this line-scribe usually write the Torah...meticulously. There also is the oral aspect of it as well. When written though,all letters and words must be done in a prescribed manner as not to "poision" the word of God. This was the usual form. Given that our Gospel writers were Jewish-would not it stand to reason this would occur as well? So would it be possible that we had the oral tradition from our Apostles-then put "ink to paper" at a later date? I do not in anyway see this as problematic citing Scripture point of 2 Peter 1:21 because the Holy Spirit guided them? Whew-boy do I have typers cramp!!

                                                                                                                John Mac

Comment by Dave Gosse on January 15, 2012 at 11:29pm

Hi John

 

Judaism, Christianity, and, to a lesser extent, Islam are all historical religions.  Unlike most religions  they are rooted in particular places and times.  Islam rejects the validity of most of the history which has been transmitted through the received texts and much of the revisionist history they proclaim may be falsified.  Judaism transmitted the early history in a substantially accurate form but rejects the specifically Christian fulfillment of their own prophecies.  We can, and do, look to history and archaeology to substantiate the accuratcy of the stories we have received and so may reassure ourselves that our faith is not in vain.

 

When exactly pen was put to paper is not as important as the accuracy of the transmission but, of course, the earlier the date for writing the less time there is for invention or exageration.  John A. T, Robinson, a liberal Anglican, wrote a book, "Redating the New Testament", in which he claimed there is no good reason for dating any of the Gospels, including John, after 70 AD.  The major reason given for a later date is the prophcy by Jesus that the Temple would be destroyed, a prophecy they claim would not have been written down had it not been fulfilled.  Of course, this assertion immediately raises the question of why the evangelists didn't trumpet the fulfillment of this prophecy in their writings.

 

Further, although the Jews and Romans weren't particularly interested in Jesus there are several references to Jesus and Christians in near contemporary pagan and Jewish writings.  The ante-Nicene fathers, writing between AD 90 and AD 325 quote the New Testament extensively and it is claimed that the NT, with the exception of a few verses and the Epistle of James, could be reconstructed  in its entirety from the pre AD 200 writings.

 

There is particular apologetic force to these historical facts.  We can counter the false claims of atheiists and skeptics with them and, no doubt, many an apostacy could be prevented by disseminating this knowledge to the members of our churches.  Many good Christians have been fooled into apostacy by the confidentt yet false claims of atheists and skeptics.  Even today I was reading an account of a dialogue between atheists and Christians which was run by a fellow who had begun as a Christian and is now an atheist because he found the theory of evolution compelling.  Recognizing the essential incompatability of evolution and Christianity he discarded his Christianity.  In my case the opposite is true... the "many convincing proofs" of the Bible led me to discard my faith in evolution. 

Comment by john mac on January 16, 2012 at 11:41pm

Dave,

I find this discussion completely fascinating...as a matter of fact I find theology in itself a fascinating subject. The timeless story of how we got to where we are is of course a Spiritual one,but also a historical and archaeological one too. I find both topics to be intertwined-yet separate-how odd? I think in order to clarify the discussion-as I said we need to take a look at other facts-not only within the realm of Christianity,but of an immense importance,Judaism. I am not trying to stray from our topic-I just find the need to expand upon the discussion-and to take a particular look at the thought processes at the time of our Saviors appearance to humankind. Not only the political ramifications,but within the context of a Spiritual and Salvation course as well-do you agree my friend?? I can expand upon the evolution thing later-as honestly I find them to be compatible and incompatible at the same time....but later on that. May we go to the thought process of Orthodox Judaism,as that was the forgoing theology of the time we speak. (Other than paganism) for which we can also excitedly discuss-later. So here according to Wikipedia is the main rub between the two forces-throw Jesus in the middle-and you have a powder keg,ready to undoubtably explode!!

Conflicts between the Pharisees and the Sadducees took place in the context of much broader and longstanding social and religious conflicts among Jews dating back to the Babylonian captivity and exacerbated by the Roman conquest. One conflict was class, between the wealthy and the poor, as the Sadducees included mainly the priestly and aristocratic families.[4] Another conflict was cultural, between those who favored Hellenization and those who resisted it. A third was juridico-religious, between those who emphasized the importance of the Second Temple, and those who emphasized the importance of other Mosaic laws and prophetic values. A fourth, specifically religious, involved different interpretations of the Torah and how to apply it to current Jewish life, with the Sadducees recognizing only the Written Torah and rejecting doctrines such as the Oral Torah and the Resurrection of the Dead. Josephus (37 – c. A.D. 100), himself a Pharisee, claimed that the Pharisees received the backing and goodwill of the common people, apparently in contrast to the more elite Sadducees. Pharisees claimed prophetic or Mosaic authority for their interpretation[5] of Jewish laws, while the Sadducees represented the authority of the

Comment by john mac on January 16, 2012 at 11:59pm

 (Part 2)elitist groups. And just what did these groups maintain according to The Law that was the "criteria" for the Messiah? Let us look at what Orthodox Judaism maintains is that criteria-even to this day...

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. The Sriptural points concerning this is as follows:

  • Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20
  • Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39
  • Ezekiel 38:16
  • Hosea 3:4-3:5
  • Micah 4
  • Zephaniah 3:9
  • Zechariah 14:9
  • Daniel 10:14

And just according to Scripture-what would this Messiah do well that would be the following:

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Judea.He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

Comment by john mac on January 17, 2012 at 12:11am

(Part 3) So according to Judaism-and as they cite in Scriptural passages above-Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do. A different leader by the name of  Bar Kokhba (son of a star), did. He retook Jerusalem,he resumed sacrifices at the temple-and even began rebuilding it...he even reestablished a Jewish government and began making money accordingly.This is what the Jewish people were looking for. Eventually though Rome conquered again and he was killed.So he was not the Messiah either.Throughout Jewish history, there have been many people who have claimed to be the mashiach, or whose followers have claimed that they were the mashiach: Shimeon Bar Kokhba, Shabbatai Tzvi, Jesus, and many others too numerous to name. So what according to Scripture makes our Jesus-our Savior different? Even today Jews await the Messiah...at the "Wailing Wall" they pray for him to come. Yet I believe he has already come-I believe he took the form of a man-humbling himself-to rescue a poor-miserable sinner like myself. Maybe I cannott show a Pharisee why-or maybe I cannott,tell why-other than I just believe. What about you Dave-what makes you believe? If from a Scriptural point-according to those passages-legally argued from a point of law-we should not-yet we do.....has it been "written on our hearts??"

                                                                                                                         John Mac

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